Lena Dunham And Amy Schumer’s Conversation About Feminism Was Incredibly Racist. | Gradient

Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer’s conversation about feminism was incredibly racist.


Lena Dunham interviewed Amy Schumer for a controversial edition of her “Lenny Letter” newsletter. The two comedians, known for their provocative feminist brands, tried to have a funny, thoughtful discussion about their careers. It ended up being “funny,” but not ha ha funny more like “funny how even when you’re completely cognizant that racism permeates every facet of American society Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer never fail to surprise you with the depths of narcissism and the myriad ways it calcifies their bigotry.”

As funny as the two can be, (we’re fans of “Inside Amy Schumer” over here) we’re all a little dumber for reading this. There’s almost nothing to do here with feminism, and everything to do with two white women stroking each other’s egos at the expense of the reputation of a black man, New York Giants receiver Odell Beckham, Jr. It’s all really bad, but this is probably the worst of it, emphasis ours:

LD: You and I were literally sitting across from each other at the Met Ball, and it was like a crazy countdown to when we could escape. You were like, “We’re honored to be here. We’re honored to be here.”

AS: I left so early. When did you leave?

LD: I attempted to grind my ass on Michael B. Jordan for an additional twenty minutes and then left right after you.

I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr., and it was so amazing because it was like he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards. He was like, “That’s a marshmallow. That’s a child. That’s a dog.” It wasn’t mean — he just seemed confused.

The vibe was very much like, “Do I want to fuck it? Is it wearing a … yep, it’s wearing a tuxedo. I’m going to go back to my cell phone.” It was like we were forced to be together, and he literally was scrolling Instagram rather than have to look at a woman in a bow tie. I was like, “This should be called the Metropolitan Museum of Getting Rejected by Athletes.”


  • Did Odell Beckham, Jr. really size you up, or was he just peeping his Instagram?
  • How did you figure out the details of his thought life?
  • Why would you think he would, in such excruciating detail, spend his evening at the gala determining if you’re worthy of being ravished?
  • Again, were you being body-shamed, or was he just really enjoying his Instagram?
  • Why do you care what Odell Beckham, Jr thinks of you?
  • Lena, you’re not the first person to assume, without any evidence, that black males were singularly obsessed with the possibility of making a white woman (in this case, you) his sexual conquest. It used to get black men like Emmett Till lynched. Now, they’re more likely to be blogged about. Wait, that’s not a question, sorry.
  • Did you ask Michael B. Jordan if he would do a “Fantastic Four” sequel, or can you just, you know, read his mind for us? Give us the scoop!

Anyway, Schumer nodded along, more or less deflected serious engagement about Kurt Metzger, a former writer for her show known for his own public misogyny because hey, “he’s not Bill Cosby.” Also, while discussing a tragic shooting at a movie theater screening of her rom-com “Trainwreck,” that killed two patrons, Schumer bemoaned that “some toothless fucking crackhead” didn’t die in their place.

Dunham eventually apologized sometime after criticizing the “outrage machine” of black Twitter users appropriately dragging her behavior.

Read the interview here, but don’t say we didn’t warn you.

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New Pod Flow: Sounds Good With Branden Harvey “Jason Russell”


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Welcome to Episode IV. This week, Dan spends some time with his favorite singer/songwriter, Matthew Perryman Jones. Matthew and Dan talk about panic attacks, growing up in Atlanta, the way music is informed by pain and suffering and the way music gives freedom.

If you have spent any time watching television in the last decade you have most likely heard one of Mattew’s songs on shows like Grey’s Anatomy, Pretty Little Liars, One Tree Hill and many others. His insightful writing and voice have drawn comparisons to Leonard Cohen and Jeff Buckley, and he is on the short list of songwriters who skillfully weave the deeply philosophical and the vivid utterly human without ever losing sight of either.

To get his new album Cold Answer, (which features the three songs from him you heard on this episode), visit MPJmusic.com.

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New Pod Flow: Sounds Good With Branden Harvey “Next Steps After the Presidential Election”


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This week we reflect on the election and discuss our strategies for staying sane.

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This week we discuss Beyonce’s night at the CMAs, last minute election plans and how SNL might save us all.

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New Pod Flow: It’s a Bird, It’s a Plane, It’s a Podcast: Doctor Strange


We appreciate everyone sticking with us through this long hiatus but are planning our return even as we speak, with a bunch of new goodies and an updated format. In the meantime, here’s a brief primer on Marvel’s Sorcerer Supreme, Doctor Strange — just so you can go into the movie knowing what you’re getting yourself into.