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Trump surrogate: Trump’s wall isn’t going to be an actual wall or anything.


Skeptics have long questioned whether or not Donald Trump would actually be able to follow through on his promise to build a giant wall and get Mexico to pay for it, but such arguments have always rested on the assumption that the wall would be an actual, physical wall. And you know what happens when you assume.

In an interview with The Buffalo News, co-chairman of Trump’s U.S. House Leadership Committee Rep. Chris Collins, R-NY explained that “I have called it a virtual wall.” And then further (de)clarified, “Maybe we will be building a wall over some aspects of it; I don’t know.”

The interviewer didn’t push him any further, so we are left to wonder what exactly he meant by the phrase of “virtual wall,” and whether or not such a wall would cost any “virtual” money, and how many “virtual” immigrants it would actually keep out. In any case, this continues a recent trend of Trump flipping on his early campaign policies — going so far as to say that he has no campaign policies.

“Yeah. It was a suggestion,” Trump himself recently told Fox News. “Look, anything I say right now, I’m not the president,” Trump said in a radio interview with Fox News. “Everything is a suggestion, no matter what you say, it’s a suggestion.”

Yes, nothing Trump says should be taken seriously right now. Sorry, was that not clear earlier? Is there anything else Trump may have led his supporters to believe was going to happen that is definitely not going to happen? Funny you should ask.

“I call it a rhetorical deportation of 12 million people,” Collins told Buffalo News, speaking of Trump’s apparently metaphorical plans to deport all illegal immigrants. “We’re not going to put them on a bus, and we’re not going to drive them across the border.”

Well, that’s a relief. Well, sort of.

“I’m not speaking for Donald,” Collins stressed. “Those were my opinions.”

New Pod Flow: Sounds Good With Branden Harvey “Jason Russell”


Jason is the cofounder of the iconic non-profit Invisible Children which was founded to increase awareness of the horrendous activities of the LRA in Central Africa. Jason was also the director of the iconic Kony 2012 film that took the world by storm. In this two-part interview Jason and Branden talk about what it means to create a movement, what Jason experienced during his breakdown and subsequent recovery, and Jason’s experience in the world of theater.

New Pod Flow: Animalators, “ Aharon Rabinowitz”


Aharon Rabinowitz is the head of marketing for Red Giant based in New York City. During our conversation, we discussed the importance of work life balance, his start as a production intern at Sesame Street and why artist’s feel personally offended when you reject their work.

New Pod Flow: In Case You Missed It, Episode 040


United gets their cheap on, fake news, and Trump hired who?

New Pod Flow: Scribble & Jam, “Artist Matthew Perryman Jones”


Welcome to Episode IV. This week, Dan spends some time with his favorite singer/songwriter, Matthew Perryman Jones. Matthew and Dan talk about panic attacks, growing up in Atlanta, the way music is informed by pain and suffering and the way music gives freedom.

If you have spent any time watching television in the last decade you have most likely heard one of Mattew’s songs on shows like Grey’s Anatomy, Pretty Little Liars, One Tree Hill and many others. His insightful writing and voice have drawn comparisons to Leonard Cohen and Jeff Buckley, and he is on the short list of songwriters who skillfully weave the deeply philosophical and the vivid utterly human without ever losing sight of either.

To get his new album Cold Answer, (which features the three songs from him you heard on this episode), visit

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New Pod Flow: Sounds Good With Branden Harvey “Next Steps After the Presidential Election”


Branden sits down with writer and speaker Tyler Huckabee days after Donald Trump was elected President of the United States to talk about empathy, justice, listening, and where we go from here.

New Pod Flow: In Case You Missed It, Episode 039


Special Election Edition, President Trump to legalized weed and everything in between.

This week we reflect on the election and discuss our strategies for staying sane.

New Pod Flow: Animalators, “Illo


Luca and Ilenia are the founders of Illo, a studio based in Turin, Italy.  During our conversation, we discussed their self-driving video bot named Algo, how Illo was formed and how they’ve crafted a unique office culture.

New Pod Flow: In Case You Missed It, Episode 038


This week we discuss Beyonce’s night at the CMAs, last minute election plans and how SNL might save us all.

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New Pod Flow: It’s a Bird, It’s a Plane, It’s a Podcast: Doctor Strange


We appreciate everyone sticking with us through this long hiatus but are planning our return even as we speak, with a bunch of new goodies and an updated format. In the meantime, here’s a brief primer on Marvel’s Sorcerer Supreme, Doctor Strange — just so you can go into the movie knowing what you’re getting yourself into.